An Early Plan for Open Source Peaceful Evolution

September 14, 2009 · 81 comments

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When does the banditry of government end? How do we get our lives back? In traditional voluntaryist fashion, I’m convinced we need to liberate 6 billion minds worldwide simultaneously. But pure educational efforts are not enough. We have to live our principles, as exemplified in agorism. We need an organizational model that is resilient, efficient and easy to plug in to, as we see in open source efforts such as Linux and Wikipedia. Innovative developments in warfare, such as seen in the Iraqi insurgency (4th & 5th generation warfare), can inform our plans as well. If you’re ready to get the government monkey off your back join me in building a libertarian insurgency with the following principles.

Step 0: Liberate Yourself

The prerequisite is to evolve yourself. Study the principles of liberty unrelentingly until you live them like muscle memory. Clear out your pro-state brainwashing. Get your debt load under control. Become self-employed, if possible or at least build up a nest egg of time and resources. Get your kids out of state or Prussian-style schools. Live a sustainable lifestyle. Don’t give the bad guys your sanction. In other words, get right with the universe. As Albert Jay Nock said:

[A]ges of experience testify that the only way society can be improved is by the individualist method … ; that is, the method of each ‘one’ doing his very best to improve ‘one’.

Once you’ve got that process going (not complete – it’s a process after all), and I’m sure many of my readers are very advanced in that area, move on to outward activism. The Survival Podcast’s Modern Survival Philosophy is an excellent start for personal independence.

The 11 Principles of Open Source Peaceful Evolution

I’ve adapted these principles from thinking on fourth-generation warfare, principally John Robb’s. I will soon publish a series of articles with increasingly specific examples of how we can apply these principles to the fight for liberty. I know you have ideas as well.

1. Break Networks

Breaking networks is about cleaving the opposition (and never about dividing ourselves). Those who support the state are not a monolithic group. Despite the fact that republicans, democrats and even many independents and libertarians support the state, they do vicious battle over their differing visions of the state. Our job is to exploit those differences (peacefully) in such a way as to draw attention to the differences within the pro-state coalition with the ultimate intention of weakening, fragmenting and co-opting it.
As Sun Tzu said:

Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy’s resistance without fighting.

Thus the highest form of generalship is to balk the enemy’s plans; the next best is to prevent the junction of the enemy’s forces; the next in order is to attack the enemy’s army in the field; and the worst policy of all is to besiege walled cities.

With his forces intact he will dispute the mastery of the Empire, and thus, without losing a man, his triumph will be complete. This is the method of attacking by stratagem.

2. Grow Black Economies (Agorism)

This is the more obvious aspect of agorism. Hollow out the state by peacefully trading with your fellow man “under the table”, in silver, gold or barter if need be. But don’t let the state track you or tax you. Don’t collect taxes for the state (sales tax). Build networks outside the state’s purview and eventually market defense providers will be viable enough to hold off the statists’ last attack, leaving us in a stateless society.

3. Virtualize Your Organization

Open source means that we organize in a loose fashion. There are no formal leaders, there is no chain of command, there are no elections or orders handed down. Individuals work together or not as they see fit. Individuals organize for “ops”, do the job and disperse. The exact same teams may not work together more than once. Even among libertarians there are diverse interests, priorities and comfort levels.

4. Repetition is more important than Scale

Don’t do a few big ops, do a huge number of small ones. Easy, inexpensive and uncomplicated ops that you can repeat often are more sustainable and produce greater impact. Getting arrested (going to jail, dealing with court, etc.) is not sustainable (though we have to prepare for it). This means that we resist up until the moment the gun will come out and then we back off. As John Robb said, “The great is the enemy of the good enough.”

5. Coopetition not Competition

Everyone who opposes the state is our ally. Perhaps even those who oppose just this state are our allies (up to a point). We will work in a space where we can simultaneously grow our effort and accelerate our growth as we complete with each other. Consider the Visa card system as an analogy. Banks’ credit card offerings compete against each other while all sharing the Visa payment system. As the competing banks grow, the shared Visa platform grows, and vice versa.

6. Don’t Fork the Insurgency

We can not allow major disagreements to become more important than our shared vision. In other words, no infighting. The kind of organization contemplated here is so ephemeral, you don’t have to work with anyone you don’t want to. There are no votes to be won or lost that you can’t simply walk away from. It’s a free market; forking it is dumb because the more participants in the market the more efficient it will be. People who lack tact or common courtesy, who start pointless arguments should be ostracized.

7. Minimalist rule sets work best

In the best case, a peaceful evolution leads to a government going away. In a traditional guerrilla paradigm, the guerrillas roll in and take power. They need a rule set to govern with. But since we want precisely to liberate people from all governments, we need a rule set that everyone can understand and enforce themselves.

8. Self-Replicate

Self-replication is about making more of yourself. In other words, persuade more people to abandon aggression and embrace voluntary interaction. Anything that leverages people, that multiplies a person’s productivity is also included. Videotaping your productive activism is an example of this, since it can put you on the computers of potentially millions of people. Effective use of social media can be self-replication. Pamphleting, campaigning and other face-to-face activities can also qualify. Sharing how to duplicate your ops is also self-replication

9. Share or Copy Everything that Works

The value of open source comes from sharing innovations openly and freely. Nothing is held back. Theft of ideas is your bread and butter. If it works, use it. This practice benefits all parties.

10. Release Early and Often

Innovations must be released quickly and frequently. Perfectionism, secrecy and other practices that slow down or impede the distribution of information to allies are deprecated.

11. Co-Opt, Don’t Own, Basic Services

This means that if the insurgency needs something, it gets it from someone else. This could be via a free market transaction or via what has been called “parasitically rid[ing] on a degraded form of the global/national economy’s corporate and public services”. But the insurgency itself should avoid building services itself. So we don’t create A[gorist]Bay, we co-opt Ebay instead.

Is 4/5GW an Appropriate Paradigm for Peaceful Evolution?

It might seem curious at first to apply the principles of fourth- and fifth- generation warfare to the struggle for peace (liberty), but let’s consider the definition of guerrilla. Bandits with bandoliers in Latin America may at first come to mind but my dictionary says a guerrilla is “a member of a small independent group taking part in irregular fighting, typically against larger regular forces“. Since fighting doesn’t have to include aggression, and we liberty lovers are currently small in numbers (and very independent) and in opposition to the ostensibly very large forces of the state, we qualify as guerrillas. Of course, we must be guerrillas for firm love, peace and respect. Let us get our inspiration from brilliant warriors without ourselves becoming aggressors.

Is It Just Agorism?

Some agorists might say that this is just agorism. That’s fine. Call it what you like. I think at the very least it connects agorism with tactics from other schools of thought. If it advances the front lines of agorism to a place where more people can better grok how they can practice it, I’ll call it a success.

Emphasis on ‘Early’

This is an early draft, so I welcome your comments. What principles would my fellow market anarchists add?

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1 MamaLiberty September 23, 2009 at 8:55 am

Forgive me for butting in here, gentlemen, but you “might” be forgetting that there is no need (and no real possibility) of just ONE system or method to serve all.

I can see the potential for MANY different, and different size systems, networks and organizations. They may decide to associate, or not, for all kinds of reasons. Some will succeed and grow, some fail and fade – for all sorts of reasons. That’s the nature of the free market, of course.

Nobody is going to know the absolute “right” way to do this – possibly ever, but certainly not until a few have been done for a while and others learn from their mistakes. And here I’m talking especially about the encryption, trust rating thing of larger, more formal operations.

The FSW people in my area have a fairly good, informal and simple “agora” working now and we don’t bother with encryption – though many of us have that capability. We know each other personally, so don’t need codes or even much record keeping.

But it is still evolving, of course, and as more people become involved things may change. We shall see. :)

2 George Donnelly September 23, 2009 at 8:58 am

Business *is* the insurgency, the insurgency *is* business. That’s counter-economics in the full meaning of the word – both *anti* state econ, and *other than* state econ.

What makes you think I do not know this?

Don’t confuse business with corporations, state subsidies, and rent-seeking.

What makes you think I am?

I feel you tend to lecture me on agorism, which is fine, could you please just tie it back to something I said that demonstrates why I need the remedial education?

Do you trust my Facebook friends?

As Mike said, there are different levels of trust. Facebook and the other examples I mentioned can be co-opted to suit our purposes. It is possible to build applications for Facebook. Just as there is an application for my best friends there could be an application for my trusted trading partners (as a very simplistic example of the concept).

3 George Donnelly September 23, 2009 at 9:04 am

there is no need (and no real possibility) of just ONE system or method to serve all.

Sure but our discussion doesn’t hinge on that. We’re talking about possible ways to do it, in search I think it’s safe to say for a best way to do it.

Nobody is going to know the absolute “right” way to do this

How is that relevant? We do the best we can at this time and don’t worry about the fact that it’s imperfect stop us. The perfect is the enemy of the good enough and all that.

The FSW people in my area have a fairly good, informal and simple “agora” working now

Kudos. I for one am working on a supply of how-to guides on practicing agorism so everyone can grasp how to do it, right now. I’d like some real world tools for it too, and to facilitate more than local trades. I think Kyle is thinking along similar lines.

I’d love to hear any insights you have along those lines as many people are dying for direction and leadership in this area.

BTW you are *not* butting in. Everyone is welcome to comment here.

4 MamaLiberty September 23, 2009 at 9:28 am

Sorry, George! It just seemed to me that you and Kyle were discussing the “right” way to do this rather than that there would be many different ways. Forgive me.

Not sure I have any insight relevant to the level of discourse here – especially since I seem not to understand it…

Our trade and relationships among the FSW, and with some non FSW neighbors increasingly, are extremely informal and fluid. I can’t really tell you much about how they work because each contact and trade or mutual assistance is truly an individual effort, based on the people and the situation. We have only one rule: non-aggression.

For us, for me, the important thing is to live it, do it, work with it each day.

But I wish you the best in your efforts to codify and map it out for others. I’ll be watching as I find the time. :)

5 Kyle Bennett September 23, 2009 at 12:58 pm

@MamaLiberty “Forgive me for butting in here, gentlemen, but you “might” be forgetting that there is no need (and no real possibility) of just ONE system or method to serve all.”

As far as I am concerned, you are always welcome to “butt in”. :-) . (Not that anybody else isn’t) You’re right, centralizing to one system would be disastrous. I’m not on about the way *evrerybody* should do it, only the way *I* want to do it (and to convince George and others to help ;-) ) . I see the competition of methods as vital to the evolution of means toward the most effective and safest possible avenues, but even then, there will be multiple means, applied to multiple contexts and multiple goals. What we’re trying to do here is to flesh out as fully as possible one of those concrete ways. And I’m looking to see how we can spread the information, and later the concrete tools as widely as possible in keeping with the 11 points above.

The one area where George and I are butting heads on a “best” way is the co-option of infrastructure question, but we’ll almost certainly end up doing some measure of both, so it is not a serious conflict.

“The FSW people in my area have a fairly good, informal and simple “agora” ”

This is the huge advantage I see of Wyoming vs New Hampshire. New Hampshire has different advantages, and neither one is perfect by itself. I think they are very complimentary, bur I prefer the Wyoming approach. I’m very impressed with what’s been done there, and I wouldn’t want to change it. It’s already going in a direction that fits my vision of things, so there’s no reason to anyway – and you folks wouldn’t let me if I tried. I do want to get up there ASAP and start adding to it, though.

@George, I’m sorry if it comes off as lecturing. The last thing I want to do is have this turn confrontational or patronising. You’re comment “this isn’t a state-protected business”, I took as opposition to an emphasis on business methods, and maybe a belief that I am advocating using state-protected business methods as an avenue for this. I was arguing against both possibilities. I see where that comes off as lecturing if I misinterpreted your comment. What did you mean by it?

6 George Donnelly September 23, 2009 at 1:11 pm

Guys, what *is* going on in WY? I hear lots about NH, but almost nothing about Wyoming. Are you guys keeping it quiet on purpose? I’m considering moving to somewhere else here in PA, NH or WY but it would be helpful to know more about the good work you’re doing …

Kyle, I was just suggesting that maybe the concept of core competency is not as relevant to agorism as you seem to want it to be? That’s all I meant. :)

Online discussions are nice because one can calmly and thoroughly explore topics, but have the obvious disadvantage of losing the body language info. ;/

This is a great discussion and I want to see it continue and expand. :)

7 MamaLiberty September 23, 2009 at 1:45 pm

To learn more about FSW, take a look at our general website here: http://www.freestatewyoming.org/ for lots of information. To get to know us and our current activities, join us at our forum: http://www.fundamentalsoffreedom.com/fswforum/index.php

For the very best introduction to FSW life in Wyoming, and lots of face to face experience with the crazy cowboy folks, plan a visit and we’ll roll out the green carpet. (We’re partial to green here in the great American desert – and some of us don’t “do” red in anything but meat!) LOL

8 MamaLiberty September 23, 2009 at 1:47 pm

Oh, and I didn’t mean “green” as in any sort of whacko environmentalism. I mean green as in springtime grasslands and forests! :)

9 George Donnelly September 23, 2009 at 1:50 pm

Mama, already done that. I just don’t see what is going on there. Has anyone considered a blog that publicizes good stuff you’re doing? Take a lesson from the FSP in NH. I would like to visit, that’s a priority for me. Thanks.

10 MamaLiberty September 23, 2009 at 2:24 pm

Several of us have started blogs, but FSW – as a whole – isn’t “doing” much of anything. The only real reason for the FSW is to promote Wyoming as a freer place to live as good neighbors and friends.

We have the forum and an annual camp out, but everything else is strictly local and personal. We have no real organization, no officers or meetings, no dues or funds, and no particular structure or by laws except the statement of intent on joining. FSW is strictly non political, though many members participate in politics. Many of us do not.

We have no membership rolls and nobody keeps track of anything beyond the forum software for forum members. Not all FSW members participate in the forum, and not all forum members are FSW members.

So, the only way to learn what FSW is “doing” is to get to know the individuals and what THEY are doing, which is the actual sum total of FSW doings.

Clear as mud?

11 Kyle Bennett September 23, 2009 at 2:41 pm

“Kyle, I was just suggesting that maybe the concept of core competency is not as relevant to agorism as you seem to want it to be?”

Well, we’ll have to put a big ol’ asterisk next to that idea to mark it as an area of deep disagreement. That way we can tiptoe around it as necessary, and maybe hash it out explicitly one day. So long as we don’t just pretend its not there and let it fester.

“Guys, what *is* going on in WY?”

I’m not in Wyoming, but I’m active in the discussion boards, and I’ve visited twice, but whatever I say doesn’t speak for anyone else there, just my own impressions. So….

“I hear lots about NH, but almost nothing about Wyoming. Are you guys keeping it quiet on purpose?”

Not so much on purpose as the fact that it is a much quieter approach. Less confrontational, less “in your face”. That’s in keeping with Wyoming’s culture. It’s a more reserved, more live and let live culture, and the tactics used in NH wouldn’t play as well there. I don’t mean just the FSWers, but the culture of the place as a whole.

In Wyoming, its more about fitting into the communities, getting to know people, and working with them. The natives are already hugely pro-liberty, and they don’t need to be pushed into anything. Moving there really means wanting to adopt that lifestyle, you can’t expect to move to a big city like Manchester and keep up the same lifestyle you came from. The population of the whole state is less than 5 times the population of Manchester, and less than the city-limits population of Tucson, AZ, where I currently live. The biggest population towns are Cheyenne and Casper, both at about 50K. The next biggest after that, I think, is Gillette at around 20K.

What’s going on there is people quietly adapting to living a pretty free life on the whole, and helping each other out, building relationships and informal trading networks. And doing things like OC in town as a means of outreach, going to city council and county board meetings, etc. It’s more oriented toward the long-run than the more immediate activism of NH.

The political strategy difference is that FSW aims at the county level, more than the state as a whole. The plan that has been loosely followed is to encourage moving to the smallest counties first, such as one of the counties I looked at moving to – Crook – that has 6000 people and one traffic light.

12 Kyle Bennett September 23, 2009 at 2:45 pm

“everything else is strictly local and personal. We have no real organization, no officers or meetings, no dues or funds, and no particular structure or by laws except the statement of intent on joining.”

The FSW has #3 absolutely nailed.

13 MamaLiberty September 23, 2009 at 4:10 pm

A lot of people confuse the goals and methods described in the book, “Molon Labe” (by our founder, Boston T. Party) and the actual day to day reality of the FSW here now. Many seekers are very unhappy that we are not busily carrying it out.

I don’t really know if Ken (Boston) originally envisioned the reality as conforming to the story, but it just isn’t happening and he’s made no pretense of insisting that it do so.

FSW has achieved a life of its own, that’s all. :)

14 George Donnelly September 23, 2009 at 4:50 pm

So, the only way to learn what FSW is “doing” is to get to know the individuals and what THEY are doing, which is the actual sum total of FSW doings.

And is that a secret?

I know all these things you guys are telling me about the FSW. I have actually looked into it quite a bit. I just don’t see any activity. You might get even more persons of high moral character if you let those of us outside WY know of your accomplishments. It’s a sales thing.

15 Kyle Bennett September 23, 2009 at 4:53 pm

“A lot of people confuse the goals and methods described in the book, “Molon Labe” (by our founder, Boston T. Party) and the actual day to day reality of the FSW here now. Many seekers are very unhappy that we are not busily carrying it out.”

When I said “loosely”, I meant it in the sense of “not really at all” :-)

On the other hand, there seem to be a disproportional number of FSWers in Crook and Weston, and I think that the book has had at least an inspirational effect on whatever individual strategies people choose. I seem to remember somebody on the board saying they started a campground, didn’t they?

But it is not anything close to “strategy” in the sense that the FSP was originally envisoned.

I saw a great quote on Facebook today that reminds me of how the FSW is going:

“If you want to build a ship, don’t drum up the people to gather wood, divide the work, and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea.” – Antoine De Saint-Exupery

16 Kyle Bennett September 23, 2009 at 4:59 pm

@George, there’s no accomplishments to point to, at least not in the sense you are looking for. Yet, when the SHTF, I’d rather be in WY, with FSW people than in NH with FSP people, ten to one. No offense to the Porcs. I think that in their own way, they’ve accomplished more concretely than NH has. And for long term success, my money is on the FSW – (my money will be literally so pretty soon).

Foundations are invisible above ground, but without them, nothing of lasting value can be built.

17 MamaLiberty September 24, 2009 at 6:55 am

[quote]
I just don’t see any activity. You might get even more persons of high moral character if you let those of us outside WY know of your accomplishments. It’s a sales thing.
[/quote]

Well, let me try it again. Kyle said it pretty well, but let me emphasize… The ONLY activity done “officially” as FSW is the annual camp out, and that is organized, put on and paid for by individuals in a completely voluntary and more or less random manner. It is chaos and unorganization to the max that somehow magically WORKS to produce exactly what everyone wants or can live with. It’s true anarchy in motion. :)

The campground and new shooting range are other examples, in a way. Both are the private property of an individual who has made these facilities available to FSW – and other folks as he wishes. It has been the pleasure of those involved to work with him and donate time/materials to help make them a reality. It isn’t an FSW “project – the owner and some of those participating just happen also to be FSW members.

And so it goes. I could tell you some of what the FSW individuals choose to do to improve their lives and community, but the fact that they are FSW members isn’t really central to it. They’d be the same good neighbors if FSW vanished tonight.

And, for us, that’s just exactly the way it should be. If “quality” people are not attracted by that, then I don’t know what to say.

18 George Donnelly September 24, 2009 at 7:03 am

Mama, you’re not hearing me. I’m suggesting you publicize a little what you guys do – whether it’s “official” or not. I don’t even hear about your official stuff and I am very connected to news of liberty events and whatnot.

Ridley Report, Free Keene, the open carry litter pickups and all that other stuff done in NH also is NOT “official”. But lots of people here about it anyway and it attracts them to NH.

19 MamaLiberty September 24, 2009 at 7:09 am

Just thought of another example, for whatever it is worth. Some FSW members here have a “library” to gather and preserve as many good books as possible, especially freedom philosophy, freedom fiction and material involving survival and other skills that might be lost in a catastrophic breakdown of society.

Membership is open to anyone who wants to pay the small fee, but right now I think mostly FSW folks are members. The books are kept, many or a few, in the homes of the members and loaned by mail or as folks travel. The forum is a vast help in this, of course.

Many FSW members homeschool their children, and we’ve talked about doing some “apprenticeship” type things so young people can learn skills their parents can’t teach them.

But again, this is between individuals and is not any formal part of the FSW unorganization. [grin]

20 MamaLiberty September 24, 2009 at 7:25 am

[quote]
Mama, you’re not hearing me. I’m suggesting you publicize a little what you guys do
[/quote]

This isn’t a new idea, of course. We’ve had people post at the forum urging this and all sorts of activism, publicity and so forth. Most of us simply do not care to advertise our individual private lives that way. And that is why we tell people that the best way to get to know who we are and what we are doing is to visit and see for themselves.

Sorry to disappoint you, but that’s just the way it is here. [smile]

21 Kyle Bennett September 24, 2009 at 8:26 am

“Some FSW members here have a “library” to gather and preserve as many good books as possible, … and we’ve talked about doing some “apprenticeship” type things so young people can learn skills their parents can’t teach them.”

Cool. I wasn’t even aware of that. I’ve been saving books, too, for the same reason. When I move, the majority of the U-Haul will be books – I’m somewhere over 1000 right now (after donating ~200 to a local homeschoolers’ association). I figured when I got up there, I’d start a lending library. Nice to see something like that already going on.

One of the entrepreneurial ideas I’ve been kicking around is some kind of school, or just freelance teaching, aimed primarily at homeschoolers for supplemental education in history, science, math, computer science, etc. I’d never go for any kind of accreditation, and wouldn’t teach to any state curriculum, but I think it could be valuable to parents who want their kids to have an education and don’t care about the official piece of paper.

Which, I think, fits very nicely with agorism in general, and even the topic of this thread. It’s another one of those things that dilutes state power, builds resources – both for myself and the young ‘uns – helps create trust and trading networks, and is open source, resilient, replicable, etc.

22 MamaLiberty September 24, 2009 at 8:59 am

[quote]
I figured when I got up there, I’d start a lending library. Nice to see something like that already going on.
[/quote]

Well, it’s not much more than an idea looking for a place to happen at this point. With the folks so spread out, a central location wouldn’t help much and sending books by mail is expensive.

The ideal we’ve talked about is the establishment of reading room/cafe’ type businesses in various parts of the state where books would be available for reading by anyone, but could only be checked out (except core research material) by members. The businesses would have to be self supporting, of course, and strictly private with a “franchise” type connection to the FSW library.

Some of us (those with broadband) are also downloading the freely available cyber copies of books and material that would be valuable in a SHTF situation. So, these library/cafe’ places would also have computers and internet connections.

Some see the cafe’ part selling sandwiches, etc. And some see numerous other enterprises being available, including classes in various things – and not just for kids.

That part has already started with various seminars and instruction being given at the annual camp out each year. We now have a world class instructor giving wilderness survival classes and I’ve offered a basic pistol class there for several years already.

We have also talked much about a freedom oriented newspaper, radio program/station, or other such outreach. These would require purchase of an established outlet, or a new startup. Obviously, the initial investment would be a major thing and nobody has put their money and time on the line to get the ball rolling so it’s all just speculation now.

All of this has been discussed at some length at the FSW forum, though some of it is in the “founding members only” section. Do a “search” and you may be surprised.

23 Kyle Bennett September 24, 2009 at 9:54 am

@MamaLiberty: “With the folks so spread out, a central location wouldn’t help much and sending books by mail is expensive.”

There’s two ideas that popped into my head that fit the broader topic here, and also have beneficial secondary effects. First, a bookmobile. One weekend in Newcastle, next weekend in Lander, that kind of thing. Return what you borrow when the bookmobile comes around again. It could be done out of the back of a pickup truck at first, or from a cheap used box van. I’ve always wanted to buy one of those anyway.

The other comes from the idea that there seems to be a lot of travel around the state, FSWers visiting each other. This could be co-opted as an ad-hoc transportation network. Jones in Lander is going to ride his motorcycle into Casper this weekend, via Thermop. He puts the word out that he can carry some things people need transported – a small stack of books, some elk-jerky, or that gold ounce that Smith owes Johnson for services rendered. At some point, if people are willing to pay for this, someone could be a weekend courier, make a circuit of the state picking up and dropping things off.

The bookmobile could serve the same purpose secondary to its book lending, and in either case, a resource is created that helps make trading a little more efficient, and also helps make the entire community a little more socially cohesive.

That’s not to take away from the other ideas. I love the cafe idea and the branch library idea, and those have a lot of secondary benefits as well. They also would have add-on effects in combination with the above.

I loved that movie “The Postman”. I could see myself being that guy.

24 MamaLiberty September 24, 2009 at 10:17 am

[blockquote cite="First, a bookmobile. One weekend in Newcastle, next weekend in Lander, that kind of thing. Return what you borrow when the bookmobile comes around again. It could be done out of the back of a pickup truck at first, or from a cheap used box van. I've always wanted to buy one of those anyway."]

Great! When can you get started? LOL

We do tote things around for each other on our various rambles, just nothing organized. I’ve introduced the idea at the forum (and others have) but most of us have privacy issues that keep it out of the public area.

The bottom line is that any and all of these things will take some individual with the vision, ability, capital and time to do it. Even if a group of individuals decide to take it on, someone has to take the point and make it happen.

Opportunities abound. When did you say you were going to get here? [laugh]

25 Kyle Bennett September 24, 2009 at 11:29 am

“The bottom line is that any and all of these things will take some individual with the vision, ability, capital and time to do it. Even if a group of individuals decide to take it on, someone has to take the point and make it happen.

Opportunities abound. When did you say you were going to get here? [laugh]”

Oh, yer killin’ me. I’d be doing it today if I was there. This is exactly the kind of thing I’d be working on, I got me a knack for logistics, and I’ve already got a good start on the books. I’ll be there as soon as I am free to go, gotta serve out my self-imposed sentence here first, so long as doing so remains within my power. That’s step zero.

26 George Donnelly September 24, 2009 at 6:32 pm

Most of us simply do not care to advertise our individual private lives that way.

I understand and respect this. I just don’t understand why it took so much back and forth for you to say it.

Kyle, a newspaper is cheap. A radio station, maybe make it pirate and multiple transmitters?

Great idea on the transportation network!

27 MamaLiberty September 25, 2009 at 6:01 am

No, George, I’ve been telling you that from the beginning. You just don’t listen. :(

28 George Donnelly September 25, 2009 at 8:18 am

No. You avoided my questions (largely with lectures about things I already knew) and never, until the comment I quoted at 09.24.09 at 6:32 pm, said that FSWers did not publicize their activism out of concern for their privacy. This tangent has now officially been exhausted.

29 Justen October 13, 2009 at 12:17 am

Hate to resurrect a non-conversation here – but privacy does not need to be an issue for us. All the tools necessary for privacy in activism currently exist and can protect against all but the most vast and concentrated efforts effectively as long as you behave as if you’re always under surveillance. Some of them are less than perfect from a usability standpoint, which is something that will hopefully improve soon.

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