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[...] 22, 2009 by disinter George Donnelly writes: If you choose the path of force – government – you contradict yourself. You want people to be free [...]

“By Using Force You Contradict Yourself” au contraire.

You took that out of context. I’m talking about people initiating force via this thing called “The Government”. The scenarios you posit are uses of defensive force. I have said nothing against the use of defensive force.

In fact, I’m a big fan of defensive force.

That said, I think Gandhi was right. Sometimes you have to pocket the insult, turn the other cheek and respond with firm love (satyagraha). Gandhi says:

I have also called it love-force or soul-force. In the application of satyagraha, I discovered in the earliest stages that pursuit of truth did not admit of violence being inflicted on one’s opponent but that he must be weaned from error by patience and compassion. For what appears to be truth to the one may appear to be error to the other. And patience means self-suffering. So the doctrine came to mean vindication of truth, not by infliction of suffering on the opponent, but on oneself.

But you can bet I would gun down anyone who attempts to fire on my family.

Everyone is a coward. It’s difficult to overcome and nothing to be ashamed of. One simply must persevere. But I think Satyagraha is a better tool for overcoming tyranny than the use of defensive force, no matter how right that force may be.

Oh that is an interesting video. Geez.

Thanks for commenting.

By initiating force, they invite it. Now then, this is not good PR, but then again, until the rebels started killing redcoats (defending their guns), the colonies were openly molested and cowed as well. There were always Brit sympathizers as well.

We don’t use violence, only because we are weak. Otherwise, why allow 550,000 innocent people per year to be killed by the FDA blacklist on information? No good reason for that, …is there? Are we cowards? Or are we physically weaker than the state? Or do we agree that 550,000 innocent people should die for no reason other than to protect big pharma’s governmental investors?

How is that justified?

The state IS violence, and violence used in an ugly way.

There are better ways (possibly not invented yet), to rebel without violence. …But within the limits of our physical means, skilled retaliatory violence is the most likely way to prevent gross injustice and democide. I may lack the skills necessary for such a thing, but I don’t begrudge those who don’t. The world is full of all kinds of people, with all kinds of skillsets.

Asked another way, would you allow a weak little 8 year old to climb into your neighbor’s window and spray each of the family members in the whole household with bullets? What if he had just done that to three houses in a row? And he’s walking towards your house now?

He’s irrational and you are rational and well defended. Do you lay down and accept the death of your family as ‘inevitable’?

Why then, when the ATF and DEA behave in an identical way, do we counsel “education” as they go about murdering innocents in an irrational way? They completely refuse to even acknowledge logic, reason, the facts, or truth. They do nothing but murder, miseducate our kids, and imprison innocent people. That’s their full time job, and they aren’t slowing down for anyone. They refuse to even debate us. The ONDCP chair is not even allowed –according to his job description!– to question whether drugs should be illegal. …The same with the ATF!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhIJOVD8hwY

–I lack the balls to be violent. I openly admit it. I am a coward.

I cannot criticize or condemn those who are not. I wish them well.

“If there is any hope, it lies with the proles.”

-Freedom Jury